honorable Parian
gon distinguished generals members of
the
house let me deal with the gravest
calumny that has been leveled at us this
evening namely that we are
pacifists Captain
Baron is no
pacifist and neither am I and I'll fight
any man that says I am
we're not making this proposition this
evening because we're
pacifists neither are we in any sense
second to The Honorable gentleman
opposite in our
determination to see the defeat of Isis
and
Al-Qaeda neither are we in second place
to defend our people and our homeland
against terrorism which is of course a
separate
matter on which we across the house are
in
agreement if Al-Qaeda and Isis come here
we must shoot them
dead and divine the mayor of London I'll
be out with our well-armed police force
helping them shoot them dead this is an
entirely red hering a strong man
introduced into this debate in order to
confuse I want to see every member of
Isis and Al-Qaeda and all the other
organizations like them dead on the
battlefield the difference
here is our
contention that the world's
Western
intervention and Isis re
ought to appear in the same
sentence because of course the West are
responsible for Isis it was the West who
created Isis both directly and
indirectly don't shake your head even
Tony
Blair accepts
that President Obama made the case very
clearly just a month or two ago
as he said grew out of our Invasion and
occupation of
Iraq it's an example he said of how we
should aim before we
should and he was right about that but
what is less well known I'm giving the
information what is less well
known what is less well known
is that this game started very much
longer ago than
that how did the Taliban and
alqa come to be they came to be because
the British and American governments
principally using the money of the same
satrapies in the Persian Gulf who are
paying for the war in Syria now built up
this
monster of islamist fanaticism M and
extremism don't believe me watch Rambo
five watch Rambo 5 and see the
dedication at the end of the
movie to the Freedom Fighters of
Afghanistan who were of course to become
Al-Qaeda and the
Taliban it goes back even further than
that but I've only got 8 minutes and it
takes me 8 minutes to get my name and
address out generally
so I'll make my
point that our culpability in the
creation of Isis is unanswerable even
from the mouths of those who are
principally responsible for
it we're responsible for it I'm giving
the information son the responsibility
is both direct and indirect we didn't
just invade and break and Destroy and
and Scatter to the Four
Winds all the pieces of Iraq that have
not yet may never be put back together
again the reason we've got Isis in
Syria is because the same United States
and Britain have been pouring money
material weapons political and
diplomatic and propaganda
support for the
rebels and every gun every piece of
material that we delivered to the
battlefield in Syria ended up in the
hands of either Isis or alaa or one of
these other groups that too is not
contestable yes um just because we may
have a historical responsibility for the
actions the creation of Isis does not
mean not learned from our mistakes oh
trust me trust me brother anybody
listening to this debate is only too
well aware that you haven't learned from
your mistakes I'm listening to the same
kind of orientalist clap trap that I
could have had at any time in the last
few decades we had a young woman up here
saying we needed to educate if I may
finish my point no your Point's finished
we
somebody actually came here in Oxford
and said we need to educate the Iraqis
the Iraqis were teaching algebra when we
were painting our faces blue and living
in the forest you think you need to
educate here like
this
really
really where you going to educate them
in military
skills we're not so good at that anymore
the queen doesn't have enough soldiers
we ran away from bazra Under Fire
whipped the United States withdrew from
Iraq beaten by the resistance of the
Iraqi people we're running out of
Afghanistan and we be very lucky if it's
only the Taliban that come back to Power
because competing against the Taliban is
Isis the Taliban of the
moderates in the fight that's about to
ensue so the West is a military failure
with all respect to the honorable and
Gallant officers here present this
evening and where's all this money
coming from where's all the soldiers
coming how many of you going to put a
tin hat on and go and fight in Syria not
many I'll warrant but where's the money
coming from we can't keep our old age
pensioners warm in the winter time but
you want to go around the world setting
fire to other people's countries over
and over again and even go back to the
same countries and set fire to them
again I never heard such ridiculous
nonsense let's deal with our own
problems let's deal with the problems of
our own
people if ISIS come here we'll kill them
and by the way the Iraqi Army have
liberated takit
have liberated ramadi will liberate moso
let's give them every support no doubt
but they don't need Tommy Atkins and his
gun to appear there and do it from for
them and I've got news for you the
Syrian Arab Army a mainly Sunni Army is
winning the war in Syria it will soon be
over Isis and Al-Qaeda will soon be
defeated and the last thing they bloody
well need is you lot turning
up I thank the guest for his speech I
now